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Richard

>>> You are currently living in a country that has recently tortured people (no matter how monsterous) to *death* and you dare to talk to me about hand wringing.

So your evidence of this holocaust is "at least" two dead inmates? Do you know how pathetic that sounds? More boys drop dead from heat stroke in high school football camps each August than that. (Stop the torture of high school football players!) If you spent half the energy loathing the people who want to murder tens of thousands of Americans as you do hating the United States, you'd generally come across as less naive and whiny. Anyway, Happy's going to get ticked with use because we are way off topic here.

The Happy Feminist

Uh, yeah. I don't think being concerned with human rights even for (suspected) terrorists = hating the United States. I thought we believed in the presumption of innocence (which is one of the whole reasons to love the U.S. in the first place).

But yes this is indeed major thread drift. We now know where I stand, where annamal stands, and where Richard stands. Let's move on.

The Grouch

If this isn't child abuse, then what is? I'd really like to know.

Those who run away or self-harm have to wear an orange jumpsuit.

Great. Thus increasing the odds that they actually will commit suicide. Which, if I'm not mistaken, would be grounds for a lawsuit--but the state won't intercede, because it's okay to drive a kid to suicide if the parents consent.

drumgurl

We have one of those Christian Boot Camps here in Iowa, except it's called My Dad's House.

Annamal

"you'd generally come across as less naive and whiny"

Gosh, that sounded almost...uncouth.

The point being that anytime you leave a reasonably sized group of people in complete charge of the lives of another group of people, you will get at least some sadists, especially if there's no oversight and doubly so if there's no oversight and you've told them that the things they do are righteous and will save souls and or lives.


I'm with Terry Pratchett in thst "There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by the normal kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do".

Mercurial Georgia

My belief is, as Pierre Elliot Trudeau said it first; that an individual should be given as much right as possible, so long as it does not infringe upon the rights of another individual (paraphrased heavily, I swear he said something on it but I can't find it). So while yes, you have a freedom to choosing your own religion, you don't have a right to do things that take away other people's freedom, on the basis that it is your religion.

...and while I'm not a Christian (anymore?), stuff like this just makes me kinda sad.

On the lighter side of things, I think Ghastly's Ghastly Comic's "Don't Believe Everything You Read" strip covers my feelings on hate religions pretty well, it's NOT work safe though...
http://www.ghastlycomic.com/d/20031130.html
What it is: A woman is reading a tentacle non-con hentai magazine, and someone who is actually a tentacle monster complains about it, that it's very hurtful for him to be misrepresented that way. Right after that, Jesus shows up...

kari ayala

hi my name is kari i was actually sent there to heartland christian academy for 3 years i have now been out for a year there is alot of horrible things that went on there that no one even knows about.. they cut my hair to above my ears they would not allow us to talk for weeks at a time we were forced to read the bible and got to 25 church services if not more in a week we lived in dorms with no windows and we had a courtyard were we could "go outside" but there were 30 foot walls around it so we could only glimpse the sky one punishment was to hit us with a big paddle while being bent over by grown men until we couldnt take anymore and we would fall out they also made us dig 6ft by 6ft graves and made us lay in them how sick is that they told us we were burying our old selves and now god could live in us if people needed to unite over something this is it it is an evil place and yes torture is describing their acts they should be shut down immediatley i tried to kill myself there and i know several kids tonight that are locked up there are contimplating it my email is leaveit2kari87@yahoo.com we need to do something

h sofia

this is all sick. the notion of punishment as a path to salvation is disturbing to me and all too common.

The Happy Feminist

Kari, Thank you so much for your comment. Unfortunately, I am not sure that I have any brilliant ideas as to what is to be done but I am going to brainstorm a little bit today, and follow up with a post tonight.

As for the kids you know who are contemplating suicide, do you think it would help to notify their parents? Or do you think that would make things worse since their parents are the ones who sent them there in the first place? Or do you think the parents are unaware of how bad it is? What happens when someone attempts suicide at Heartland? Are they punished for it?

As for you, I am so sorry for what you have been through. And I agree with you 100% that you have endured torture and evil. Do you have the ability to see a psychologist to help you deal with your reactions to such an awful experience? If so, I would highly recommend it.

galnoir

OMG! My husband and I drove past the Heartland compound just this past Friday. We were wondering what it was, and we hoped it might be a project along the lines of Larry Rice's New Life Evangelistic Center (which runs shelters and gives fans to the poor in the summer, and operates an alternative energy center not far from Jefferson City). Apparently, this Sharpe dude couldn't be any more different from Rice.

Moreover, I've been seeing bottled milk from the Heartland Creamery in stores in Columbia for months now. I may have even bought a small bottle of the chocolate milk at one time (I don't remember which brand). Believe me, not anymore!

I will pass this info on to my state reps and ask what can be done to shut them down. (Unfortunately, the Missouri state lege is in the hands of some real whackos, on up to Gov. "Boy" Blunt, so I won't hold my breath ... but I'll do what I can.)

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