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Shawna R. B. Atteberry

I'm in the part of the pond where people believe God ordained women to submissive. Oy. I know exactly what you're talking about, which is one of the reasons I blog what I blog, and I want to put out books for the every day woman.

mythago

Shorter McCully: if you're polite and pleasing to Daddy he won't hit you.

Sydney

Mythago -- I hope this isn't post derailment, but you reminded me of something a classmate said to me the other day.

I was joking that I like to be right, and that my boyfriend has to convince me in a roundabout way if he wants to get his way with things. The guy I was talking to said, "Well, that's why it should be legal for men to beat their wives." I think he was trying to be funny, but I found the statement incredibly unfunny. I wasn't sure what to do at the time, so I kind of gave him a dirty look, and that was it.

Any suggestions on how to handle this in the future?

The Happy Feminist

Hmmm . . . it's one of those traps. You know if you complain, you become the shrill feminist who has no sense of humor. I think a dirty look, or stone-faced silence is a perfectly fine response.

Or you can just matter-of-factly say why you think it's not funny. I am sure other people have a more confrontational approach than I do, but I tend to acknowledge that the other person may have had okay intentions and then tell them why their conduct isn't okay. In my experience, this gets people to listen to you more, unless they really are determined woman-haters. So you might say, "I know that you're just making a joke, but it really isn't funny when you consider that thousands of women like me are beaten by their male partners to this day. Also, when you say something like that, you never know what a person's history what that sort of thing might be."

Of course, I am guessing many people have wittier come-backs than I do!

Ahunt

A stony silence and an unwavering gaze is a perfectly fine response to such idiocy. So is a sweet smile, and in tones dripping with amused contempt...

"What a remarkably stupid thing to say, even in jest."

Ginger

"feminism is only a rebuke to those men who believe in their automatic right to dominance, not to men in general."

I've never been able to understand this line of thinking. I just can't wrap my head around it, at all.

arielladrake

I think you're partially right about the strong and almost destructive identification with traditional roles, but your use of the word 'arbitrary' reminded me of the fact that it's not even just that; it's that those who can't make the distinction have a tendency to believe the roles are 'natural'. The people who believe that men are exactly (perfect) as God/biology made them, and changing that would be evil. Or something.

roula

oh god. sydney, when i read that i actually recoiled. i wouldn't blame you for doing so in person.

that said, i think that feminism has left me with little of what people call "sense of humor," at least in that sense of the phrase, and sometimes i wish there were a way for me to cope with other people saying stuff like that when really it just makes me want to go home. so. i guess i don't have any ideas for a lighthearted rejoinder to something like that, even though i may wish for one sometimes.

when i do speak up i tend to stick to "whoa, tasteless joke!", or "i don't think that was as funny as you thought it would be". sometimes i'd like to just be direct and say "it must be nice to not have to worry about real life domestic violence, yourself".

mythago

I like A.'s response, as it completely cuts off the backpedaling where he would say "geez, it was JUST a JOKE!!!"--because you've just pointed out that even as a joke it's idiotic.

roula

also, HF, i blogged about the "man-hating" topic a while ago and wanted to make an update to it that included your and amanda's posts. i'm a little confused about how to work trackback (btw if anyone can help me with it i'd really like that -- i use blogger and livejournal), so i wanted to give you the heads-up manually (mixed metaphor?)... anyway, i hope that's ok, but let me know if not.

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