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Richard

I actually approach abortion in much the same manner as Joel has approached same-sex marriage. I am a conservative, but I'm also a godless heathen, and so my conservatism is more like classic liberalism if it needs a label. In this regard, I've always thought that the proper conservative position on abortion, given that there is no societal or scientific consensus on it, would be to acknowledge that it must be a private, individual decision without government interference. As you can imagine, this doesn’t go over well with my conservative brethren who have become so close to the trees on this that they can’t see the forest, etc. The more conservatism is allowed to be defined by religious interests, the weaker it becomes as consistent, logical philosophy, and that concerns me.

As I’m not gay and I’m not married, I have no horse in the same-sex marriage debate, but Joel’s approach seems to make sense. However, I have to admit that the gay/lesbian movement is pretty irritating to me in its strident self-absorption, so I’m inclined mostly just to tune them out.

The Happy Feminist

We wouldn't want groups with important interests at stake to be self-absorbed. That would be terrible.

claudia

Well fancy that, Richard doesn't like the "tone" the gays use either. Seems I'm both churlish AND strident.

bmmg39

"In this regard, I've always thought that the proper conservative position on abortion, given that there is no societal or scientific consensus on it, would be to acknowledge that it must be a private, individual decision without government interference. As you can imagine, this doesn’t go over well with my conservative brethren who have become so close to the trees on this that they can’t see the forest, etc. The more conservatism is allowed to be defined by religious interests, the weaker it becomes as consistent, logical philosophy, and that concerns me."

Well, there ARE plenty of anti-abortion atheists, you know...

As for gay marriage, I've yet to hear someone properly explain how allowing gays to marry will have any sort of adverse affect on my parents' marriage or those of my friends. How do you protect marriage by keeping people who love each other from getting married?

Richard

Yes, I think self-absorption is a flaw. When you see the world only as it impacts upon you and no one else, I believe you weaken your ability to properly identify ways to get what you want. Brow-beating people about your plight might feel good, but it's unlikely to get very good results in the long run. Claudia exhibited this self-absorbtion trait perfectly for us in her comment above. Of everything I wrote, all she saw was her perception of me putting gays down for their "tone". So simple to see, and yet so hard for the self-absorbed.

The Happy Feminist

When you see the world only as it impacts upon you and no one else, I believe you weaken your ability to properly identify ways to get what you want.

Richard, I am laughing so hard right now, it hurts.

Richard

;)

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