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The Phantom

Maybe your studies are biased, maybe they have an axe to grind. And maybe they don't know what they are talking about.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2001/Oct/Military_Women.htm

And your blog does not allow html, you really should upgrade

The Happy Feminist

OK Phanton, I read the article you linked. Of course, it doesn't talk about pregnancy rates until the end of the article and then only with regard to the Navy and without any comparison to male "unplanned loss" rates. As I have said in prior posts, I am agnostic with regard to whether the pregnancy issue is a real problem or not. I am not willing to just assume without looking into it (as so many people do) that pregnancy is a problem that renders women soldiers less valuable than male soldiers.

I have just spent $20 bucks on the Pentagon report on unplanned loss rates from Navy ships so I'll blog about that when I get the report. (Although I expect to receive the report by email, it may be a few days since it's a holiday weekend.) The report dates from 1996 but, even though it's a bit old, I expect it will provide valuable insight.

I also believe that the pregnancy issue could perhaps be addressed with better discipline. As one of the sources in your article noted, women are and should be expected to plan their pregnancies around sea duty.

Finally, as the html issue, I guess I don't know what the issue is. Would it have been easier for you to post the link with html? What does allowing html accomplish?

The Happy Feminist

Oh and Phantom, nice assumption on Majikehise's thread that I'm a "knee jerk lib and PC'er," since I am neither. Perhaps a "knee jerk" reaction on your part?

The Phantom

html allows you to post a link "www.gobbledygood.com" hidden beneath what it is about. So if the subject was " Canadian navy report " that we we were linking to, it would allow you to not show the ( sometimes lengthy ) address and just have a bolded phrase of the writer's choosing " ie " Canadian navy report " It makes for nice readable phrasing, but it does take a little more time.

You would write it the text you choose to put in That's it.

I had added a model of the html phrasing but this blog type does not allow that.

Jen

Just googled this. Only 18% or so of active duty soldiers are women. So of course the numbers will be skewed to look like men lose more time. However, given that 5 times as many men are in the serves as women, then percentage wise women cost the military more in pregnancy loss. Also, where are the additional drug and alcohol problems that inevitably a percentage of women will have as well? Isn't that skewing the figures, when you compare men's alcohol and drug problems to women's pregnancy problems without adding in womens drug and alcohol problems?

Come on, you should have seen the holes in this a mile away.

Anti Addiction Junkie

What the studies you referenced didn’t say was this: Sure, the numbers show that on average it costs $7,174 for the early returns of men and only $2,046 on average for women. Why the higher cost for the men? Simple. The cost of Aids and substance abuse were factored in. And now for the rest of the story. When you factor in the average cost of pregnancy AND the instances where the women, like their male counterparts, had Aids or experienced substance abuse, the average cost for the early returns of women shot up to more than $15,000 per woman.

Now before you get all crazy and bent out-of-shape, I simply made all of this up because I wanted to goof on you :-)

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those 1975 drug numbers are from the post Vietnam era, When Reagan came in
he ordered Project Upgrade, within 90 days thousands had been discharged, and Reagan ordered that no longer anyone would be allowed to enlist as an alternative to prison which Judges had been doing. Full clean house was done, the military is there for one thing only to fight, its not a social experiment for the village idiots on capital hill.

Women in combat, nothing new... Some of he greatest fighters had been Soviet women on the eastern front. Take NATO depending on the country and their cultural background women have a varied degree in the services. If America is willing to allow their daughters to fight, get killed, raped and tortured fine go for it, you want to serve your country fine go for it. Just remember you folks sitting back on those large backsides, to support them troops that they have the tools and training to do their mission, and come home.

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