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Cecily Arenas

This is a great post. I was a 100% stay-at-home mom (SAHM) for 2 years with my second child. This was by choice, sort of. It was by choice because I *wanted* to do so and theoretically I could have put her in daycare while having some low wage job. It was also by choice because we could afford it from James job. Unfortunately most families nowadays do not have this as an option as both parents are forced to work.

My stying home was not a choice because biologically I needed to be home at least a year to nurse my baby. I suppose I could have fed her with artificial milk, but I was not open to that. It was not a choice because at that time my income would not have amounted to much. Had James and I switched roles we would live in a project. And I did not grow up thinking I would ever be a SAHM. While I was home, I read Adrienne Rich's "Of Woman Born." She is my favorite feminist author and poet. In it she discusses the oppression of mothers and addresses the fact that childcare is full time work in itself. She points out that housework, logistics, cooking, etc added to this is oppressive. As if we have nothing else to do when raising children!

Now J and I have traded roles. he stays home full time with our youngest son while I work f/t. It works well for us so far though the mindset of a SAHM father vs SAHM mother is radically different.

Comrade Kevin

I have to say that my parents had a more or less equitable relationship when it came to raising us.

My mother was a fantastic parent when we were small children and I didn't see any sort of disrespect or unfair expectations placed on her by my father. My father was always out working and I saw him usually for a few hours every night but on weekends.

I just finished reading "Diary of a Mad Housewife" in which the husband does place unreasonable demands upon his wife at the expense of her own independence and identity.

So, one of the reasons I don't have any children is that I want to be a good parent and I acknowledge now all the things I put my parents through when I was growing up. And I realize that having children isn't just a matter of mere procreation.

The Happy Feminist

I should clarify that I don't blame my father for this. It was just the way things were in our specific time and place. He would have had a tough go of it if he had to explain to his boss that my mother wasn't willing to do what was asked. I once suggested that his organization should have hired a caterer but apparently no one thought of that since there were cheaper sources of labor available!

Annamal

If you want to see how much they really respect homemaking then explain that you've flipped roles and he's keeping the house clean and meals made.

See how quickly they jump to questioning whether he's just mooching off you.

Sarahndipity

As a working mother out of financial necessity who would love to stay home with my daughter, I must say I'm appalled that a boss would even consider asking an employee’s wife to host a dinner like that. (But then again I’m a naïve young’un born in 1980). :)

I think we need to distinguish in this discussion between “homemaking” and “childrearing.” The number one reason to stay home with your kids, by far, is to raise your own children, instill values in them, get to know them as individuals, be there for them. Something is definitely lost when both parents work 40 or 50 hours a week or more and lose touch with their kids.

Keeping an immaculate house is *not* the purpose of staying home. Cooking, cleaning, etc. is a distant second. I think a lot of homemakers sort of elevate that stuff to being more important than it actually is. Yes, it’s important to keep a relatively clean house, and it makes sense for the person staying home do more of the housework, since they would have more time. (This doesn’t let the working parent off the hook, though – they should pitch in as much as they can when they get home.)

Sydney

Ms Arenas's comment reminded me of a conversation I had with some classmates of mine a few months back (I'm in medical school). Many were hand wringing over whether they'd be able to stay home with their kids, and the financial "hardships" they'd have to endure if they had kids. I pointed out gently that we were actually the lucky ones who really don't have to choose between work and kids if we don't want to. We will all make 6 figures eventually (and likely our husbands will too), and we will NOT HAVE TO CHOOSE because we will be able to afford high quality day care or perhaps indeed a babysitter. The only difficulty we may encounter is guilt -- whichever choice we make. I can even hire a housekeeper if I want so that my husband and I won't have to do the cleaning.

There are a great many families who DO have to choose (or work multiple jobs), because babies are expensive. Those are the people who have it tough. Not my classmates or I. I kind of feel that women of my "class" can get carried away with the complaining about female inequality and the idea that you "can't" have both a career and a family, failing to realize how much better we have it than people who really do have to choose.

David Thompson

Naturally, none of this work is compensated in any way.

Ah, but it is compensated. Presuming a successful presentation on the part of the wife, the business relationship is successfully cultivated, and the husband is bestowed with a proportion of the resulting profit, of which the wife enjoys the benefits at home. Compensation by proxy.

The Happy Feminist

David, I thought you went away for good? (Not that you aren't welcome back!)

Naturally I am aware that my mother benefited indirectly from my father's successes. That's not the same thing as being compensated. She wasn't given direct control over any extra income he received except at my father's sufferance, nor did her unofficial contributions enhance her resume in any way. Indirect compensation is not acceptable when one makes a direct contribution.

mythago

Cooking, cleaning, etc. is a distant second.

It's a pretty important second, unless you're feeding your kids MREs and they're clothes-shunning neat freaks.

Compensation by proxy.

That's how they used to explain that women didn't really need the vote, too.

Isabel

So this is a great post and I don't have anything to add but I just want to say--Happy Feminist! You're back! I'd stopped checking and then I saw a comment of yours over at Pandagon and clicked right over. Your hiatus has definitely not impeded the quality of your posts.

First piny, now you. A good month in the feminist blogosphere.

David Thompson

I drive past the first house I lived in maybe 10-20 times a year, but I've never moved back into it nor done anything other than look around once for a minute before going on my way.

Indirect compensation is not acceptable when one makes a direct contribution.

I disagree.

L.

Some people will agree that indirect compensation is not acceptable when one makes a direct contribution, while others will disagree -- but what really matters is what the people involved think, right?

I married a Japanese government worker, now stationed abroad in the U.S., who once asked me to host a huge brunch at our home for all of the most important people with whom he does business. The funniest part was, the guests who didn`t know me saw me serving in my apron and assumed I was the hired help, not the wife. Part of this was because I`m not Japanese -- they all assumed he had a Japanese wife. But I guess that part of this was because many women don`t serve at their own house parties anymore -- they hire caterers.

(And you KNOW what I think of Linda Hirshman!)

The Happy Feminist

Hi L! It sounds like you helped your husband and were happy to do so. I can relate to that because my husband has done yeoman's work for me on many occasions. He once spent several hours at the library researching a legal issue for me when I had no spare time to do it myself! And I've done stuff for him too. The difference is that in my mother's era, it was taken for granted that my mother would do the work, she was expected to do these things all the time, and men outside the family felt free to demand that she do so!

mythago

Sydney, while your point to your classmates is quite right, there is an issue that may or may not have come up in your conversation--that however able you are to balance work and family, that's not a choice expected of your male classmates. They are almost certainly not sitting around worrying about whether they will stay home (and if so, how much), or whether they will have to hire a housekeeper rather than fight to get their wives to contribute to the household labor. Yep, you're 100% right about the class and privilege issues, but those doesn't erase the gender issues--just make it easier to work around them.

blondie

A rising tide lifts all boats, baby.

Not even considering the effects of the lack of "direct" compensation, the housewife in the bad, old days was often, at best, a sidekick. How much better to get to be the main character in your own life?

citizen1

A marriage does not work without mutual respect and support. My wife worked FT until our first child was born. She then stayed home with the children until our youngest was 2, as we agreed to before we were married. Now I am home during the day with the children when they are not at school and I work nights. The truth is raising children is the most important job in the world. It is a not a shameful thing to be at home with the children it should be desired. The truth is to that most women are better at raising children than men and that it is better for them to stay home but when ever possibly one parent should stay home and raise their children with the same values as the parents have not entrusting them to strangers.

Antigone

A rising tide raises all boats presumes that you have a boat.

Happy's father was not obligated in any way, shape, or form to give more money to her mother.

And I never got the "raising by strangers" bit. When my fiance and I have kids (if we have kids; right now a plane looks like a better investment) you can be sure that we are going to want to get to know the babysitter and check out the facility. What is this "strangers" that you speak of?

L.

"It is a not a shameful thing to be at home with the children it should be desired."

While I agree raising children is a vital job in any society, I get very, very uncomfortable when people tell other people that anything "should be desired."

I also personally believe my children were better off in their daycare than at home with me, and I can`t possibly be the only parent who thinks this way!

mythago

"Strangers" are what you call "teachers" when they're not attached to an institution called "school". See, if you call it daycare, that's bad.

Hunter

The truth is to that most women are better at raising children than men and that it is better for them to stay home

(Chuckling here, and paging Myth.)

Having arranged my own life around this pattern, with the wholehearted endorsement of a BH who had to be jolted out of his comfort levels when I insisted on the planned return to income generation...it is hilarious that our own sons married women who aren't buyin'.

Moreover, even the BH acknowledges that he didn't truly know what he was missing, now that he's the adored "diaper-changer" of his two grandaughters, many nights and weekends.

Times have changed, and the idea that Moms are better parents than Dads will fade, because it is simply not true.


First try didn't take. If this turns into a double post, please excuse.

will

I hate it when people make that absurd, blanket, unsupported statement "moms are better raising kids than dads."

I think that statement really means, the women should do that hard duty of staying home, changing diapers and cleaning house.

arielladrake

Of course, this whole 'strangers' at daycare thing is rather interesting in light of the fact that a recent government report here in Australia deemed there to be no childcare crisis and that waiting lists were just because parents were being picky. But, of course, when parents aren't 'picky', they get jumped on for leaving their children with 'strangers'. Wait, is that a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" I hear?

Zan

Well, I don't care what you guys to with your kids, but since my kids are mine, I or my husband, are going to care for them. I don't get this idea of having children only to be cared for by other nice people for the majority of their childhood. That just escapes me. In this family, the mom is way better at raising the babies. ;-)

Jodie

I always thought of childcare as more people to love my children, and more people for my children to love. Turned out great for me and mine; both kids have turned into responsible young adults.

But to each her own. I'm not putting down anyone else's choice.

Chalicechick

Zan, are you going to homeschool, too?

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