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heh, i have to admit i caught myself feeling a little star-struck hearing that you were going to check out my "blog". i use quotes because it is sort of a tag-along in the scale of blogging quality, and as such it has something of a blog-crush on your blog.

that said, when/if you do get around to it, let me know if the format hurts your eyes. i doubt many people read it, so i have not yet had complaints that it is too hard to read.
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So the MRA's want to overthrow the government because they hate women so bad?

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This is an idea I've been kicking around. I'd like to hear what you guys think of it. We can create pamphlets and information booklets to send to diplomats and influential people in 2nd-3rd world countries. They could contain anything from lessons in economics to medical knowledge to assisting in building stronger families. To anything we want to put in it. We can portray ourselves as a Think Tank - sort of Men's Rights/family values group which is trying to correct the problems of Western society. In short, we can give these countries an edge when competing with the West while at the same time spreading the core values of Men's Rights. (which is pretty much what we are) Will there be lots of wasted pamphlets and brochures? Maybe... Will we gain some political supporters... Probably.

We could also create a knowledge-base on-line of all types of information, including medical, nutritional, economics, etc., as a way of providing assistance, while at the same time emphasizing our core stances.
We could help them out in small ways monetarily, in the beginning. As their country gained power and influence, they could reciprocate and give us money and more power.

This is largely how the Soviets/Communists infiltrated the U.S. government...by making allies, having people on the inside. Since the West is, for the most part, digging it's own grave, we can get in on the ground floor in developing countries and point them in the right direction.

What do you guys think of this idea? Is it doable? Worth doing?


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I'm thinking this would be a logistical nightmare for a group our size to try and create large quantities of such books for developing nations.

However, the idea of creating some educational materials and offering them at a low cost/free isn't bad overall. Do you have access to what we would need to do this? Perhaps you might start as a small online business and grow it from there, as we build up materials.


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QUOTE(TomCat @ Oct 23 2006, 04:59 PM) *

What do you guys think of this idea? Is it doable? Worth doing?


i dont send ANYTHING of that nature to a foreign political body... this is not like filing a protest over a missing traffic sign, or pool access in the next county.

i wouldnt want to be a part of that. nothing but trouble there...

in what world do you think a pamplet sent to a foriegn government would then be allowed to light a fire and actually be allowed to change the course of a countries direction?

more than likely, you will be labled "dangerous loon".

you may find that when you want to visit said country, you will be jailed as a political prisoner.

you might find that you might be in violation of laws here... (though i am not aware of any. this hasnt been a domain of great interest, so its not because i know that it isnt there).


better to build that organization first, then publish, publish, publish... AFTER that, you write an article and publish it criticising the government and telling them things. dont worry, they will see it.


do the work first... then worry about contacting people... you might not need to.


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QUOTE(artfldgr @ Oct 23 2006, 04:52 PM) *

QUOTE(TomCat @ Oct 23 2006, 04:59 PM) *

What do you guys think of this idea? Is it doable? Worth doing?


i dont send ANYTHING of that nature to a foreign political body... this is not like filing a protest over a missing traffic sign, or pool access in the next county.

i wouldnt want to be a part of that. nothing but trouble there...

in what world do you think a pamplet sent to a foriegn government would then be allowed to light a fire and actually be allowed to change the course of a countries direction?

more than likely, you will be labled "dangerous loon".

you may find that when you want to visit said country, you will be jailed as a political prisoner.

you might find that you might be in violation of laws here... (though i am not aware of any. this hasnt been a domain of great interest, so its not because i know that it isnt there).


better to build that organization first, then publish, publish, publish... AFTER that, you write an article and publish it criticising the government and telling them things. dont worry, they will see it.


do the work first... then worry about contacting people... you might not need to.


Art, thanks for the criticism. But "of this nature"...I don't think those ideas could be classified as "fringe" or "loon"... Economics? Medicine? Family? You do have a point though that it would be a good way to make enemies.


And also, I'm not going to do this, I don't have any time or inclination to do so. It's just food for thought if any MRA group were to take it on.

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Isn't the Internet the best way to send samizdat to foreign nations?

It would be more efficacious to build a small library of MRA literature, translate it into foreign languages, and let the 'Net distribute it for free. Shipping paper to other countries is passe.
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QUOTE(emanon @ Oct 23 2006, 07:44 PM) *

Isn't the Internet the best way to send samizdat to foreign nations?

It would be more efficacious to build a small library of MRA literature, translate it into foreign languages, and let the 'Net distribute it for free. Shipping paper to other countries is passe.

Good point.

QUOTE(Laboratory Mike @ Oct 23 2006, 04:48 PM) *

I'm thinking this would be a logistical nightmare for a group our size to try and create large quantities of such books for developing nations.

However, the idea of creating some educational materials and offering them at a low cost/free isn't bad overall. Do you have access to what we would need to do this? Perhaps you might start as a small online business and grow it from there, as we build up materials.


Nope, I don't have access to materials. Maybe we can get ourselves some type of printing press when we get more established, no?


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Sorry that came out so long...anyway this is a great link that will tell you who voted FOR the Violence Against Women Act...the MRA's want to get rid of it...use that voting power ladies!

http://ga4.org/workingwomen/108th_House_Vote_Chart.html

Blue

Hey! Thanks for adding my blog to the list. I've been trying to add to my blogroll for the same reasons. Thanks for explaining why so well.

Oh, and to clarify, lest anyone mistake me for a woman of color, that's an identity I can't claim. My blog is a disabled white girl's point of view.

Laura

Thanks, HF! :)

David Duff

Please, please, mummy, can I be a link? But not anywhere near those lawyers, I have a reputation to keep up! Perhaps a new heading, say: "Antediluvian, Re-actionary Relics". (Well, we're people, too, you know, with feelings and needs and wants.)

ilyka

Here's Blackamazon, Happy. I've been in kind of in the same spot you were with my blog-reading habits and I'm embarrassed it took burqagate to spur me to change 'em.

The Happy Feminist

Thanks Ilyka!

David, You may be a link if you are good (will put the link in tomorrow). It will be more leverage for me if you act up. I can now threaten discipline in steps -- de-linking followed by banning! And yes, you may as well just call me The Saintly Feminist. (Turn the other cheek, to forgive is divine, etc. etc.)

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