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Sydney

I can think of nothing that would have been more satisfying than to be able to pop a few of the ladies who verbally bullied me throughout my childhood. Alas, it was not to be.

David Thompson

So, what part of "John Derbyshire is a He-Cunt: the Series" is Amanda up to by now?

Dustin

And look how emasculated he is, how threatened by the thought of having to sit and discuss something without resorting to "manly" fighting. This woman dean has him totally emasculated, and he hasn't even met her yet! "Cowed" indeed!

TangoMan

But apparently that concern for discipline does not apply if it is a boy indulging in his naturally boyish tendencies to bully and beat on others.

We've been given no indication that it was Derb's son that was bullying or beating on others. We also know that the girlified and idiotic zero tolerance policies adminisistered by the "no independent thought" administration doles out equal punishment for the victim and for the bully.

When I read Derb's comment "Has he been WINNING" I immediately thought that it was a response of a father who is aware that his son is being picked on and that he finally stood up for himself.

As for what constitutes "fighting" or warrants a call from the principal these days, you'd be surprised at how minor infractions are made to sound like the Jets and the Sharks having a rumble. Yes, it's far better to eliminate all physical roughhousing and train the boys to engage in the brutal psychological warfare that girls have perfected in their peer relationships. There's no joy for two boys to actually resolve a personal dispute with some afterschool roughhousing when they can drag the innuendo, taunting, ignoring and gossip out for the whole school year, or if they've been trained in conflict resolution they can hold hands and get in touch with each other's feelings during an afterschool encounter session.

Richard

"...students who happen to have a penis."

Must you actually write penis? I thought you were a LADY!

Wanderingrose

My middle son was attacked in the hall during his freshman year of high school. He did not agressivly defend himself. His face was cut several times near his left eye, not badly but blood was drawn, he also had a couple of defensive cuts on his arm.

The principal's first communication with me was, "If you could have seen it, it was only a little knife."

He was right it was, one of those little knives you use to spread cream cheese on bagels.

His response to the situation, the attacker was given a five day supension (right before winter break) and kids in that school spread their cream cheese with spoons to this very day.

I have told my children since that time they are to defend themselves no matter what what it takes. If they are thrown out of school for it I do not care but they will not sit by while someone intensionaly tries to harm them.

The irony of the whole thing is that I am pretty certain my son would have been expelled if he had drawn a picture of a gun, but it was oaky to cut his face because it was "only a little knife."

Lanoire

We also know that the girlified and idiotic zero tolerance policies adminisistered by the "no independent thought" administration doles out equal punishment for the victim and for the bully.

What's "girlified" about those policies? Do you have any evidence that women support them more than men do? Or that boys are mostly affected by them?

I highly doubt that you do. I went to high school in the post-Columbine zero tolerance age, And most of the people whom the zero-tolerance crackdown affected were girls.

Aside from which, the point of Happy's post wasn't to criticize the actions of Derb's kid. It was to criticize Derb and his description of physical violence as a good and "manly" thing.

Yes, it's far better to eliminate all physical roughhousing and train the boys to engage in the brutal psychological warfare that girls have perfected in their peer relationships.

False dilemma.

TangoMan

In reference to Derb's comments it was my post that Derb was referencing. The post came about after a debate over at Feministe about some simplistic thinking about rape. Defining rape was pretty straightforward - a sexual act without consent. However, the dynamics of rape can vary, and they don't all primarily center on power imbalance. First off, there is pedophilic rape where the rapist is operating under some contorted delusions. Then there is marital rape where the power dynamics are probably front and center. Stranger rape might involve stalking, hatred of women, or just random chance. Then there is date rape, which accounts for the bulk of the statistics, and which probably has a large element of miscommunication, horniness, and crossing over of some fuzzy boundaries.

I thought it was important to look at the different types of rape to come to a better understanding of the crime and was arguing against the simplistic Rape is a tool of the Patriarchy sloganeering.

That led to the statistics on victim demography. Younger women have a greater risk of being a victim of rape. It could be because of their relative naivte, the fact that they associate with younger men, the fact that they are interacting more frequently with men they've just met, and a host of other factors, but they all still point to their attractiveness as targets. Further, youth is more sexually attractive than is age. I certainly enjoy reading people's attempts to rationalize away the empirical evidence of this by pointing to Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore. Wrapped up in the concept of youth are qualities like physical appearance, but also innocence, gullibility, poor decisionmaking and risk assessment skills, and I'm sure other features that appeal to men who are inclined to rape. Youth have more of the criteria of what rapists are looking for.

Now, I'm sure that there are commenters here, who if they were inclined to be rapists, would avow to have a fixation on grannies, and they'll share this news so that they can be the contrarions, but the statistical likelihood of a granny being raped is far lower than that of a teen, even when you control for other conditions like frequency of dating, meeting new men, walking home in the evening, etc.

I think Derb's larger point is that there is a link between youthfulness and first impression attractiveness. I concur and I also believe that the minds of rapists are not immune to this dynamic, though they overlay their own peverted motivations on top of the fundamental dynamic.

L.

All I can contribute to this discussion is that I`ve got all three of my kids, sons and daughter, taking karate twice a week, where they are learning to kick, pummel and knock people over -- and also learn never, ever to do any of this unless they have to defend themselves. It`s not about "winning."

Mandolin

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Poor date rapists. My heart bleeds.

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Absolutely. I think what people here are quibbling with is that youth have more of what non-rapists want. Is "innocence, gullibility, poor decision-making skills, and poor risk assessment" what you look for in a mate? Derb seems to like it.

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