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TangoMan

As I said in the comments thread, any kind of cultural mandate that expresses women's primary value as her sexuality is anti-feminist.

I have a question for you - can a sustainable cultural practice be devised that runs counter to human biology or human instinct?

Mandolin

I have a question for you, Tango.

Are you saying that it's part of human biology to express women's primary value as their sexuality?

And if so, what exactly is your definition of human? Kinda synonymous with "heterosexual man," neh?

The Happy Feminist

Yes.

But I don't buy into the premise that the cultural mandate to which I refer runs counter to human biology or human instinct.

The Happy Feminist

Oooh, cross-posted with Mandolin who hit the nail on the head.

TangoMan

Are you saying that it's part of human biology to express women's primary value as their sexuality?

There are a some words in the above that I fear may lead us to defintional disputes, such as sexuality. I think that the core of human existance is focused on mating, in that we're just extensions of animals (sorry religious people - I don't mean to offend you) and this is hardwired into us. You, if I may be so bold as to presume, may frame the defintion as being a process of always trying to entice, or win over, new mates. To me, the two defintions are different.

Or we may be placing different degrees of importance on what is meant by the word primary. One of us may think that primary refers to something that is simply above all others while the other may think that primary must stand far and above all others.

Happy, when you answered yes, does that mean you think a cultural practice can be devised which would reorient people to all practice same-sex marriage, that is given enough time to enforce cultural conditioning?

The Happy Feminist

Possibly . . .

Lifelong monogamy is an example of a cultural practice that is arguably contrary to brute instinct/mating/sexuality. I suppose you can argue that it hasn't necessarily been that successful since people commit adultery and it's not uncommon for men trade in their wives for younger women.

Another example that isn't widespread but could be is vegetarianism.

TangoMan

Hmm . . this conversation is taking some interesting turns :) How about conditioning people to accept that no matter how much effort you put into a task your reward won't be tied to your effort but will instead be tied to your needs? Would that work?

The Happy Feminist

Oh, good example! That was a sustainable cultural practice, just not a desirable one.

will

Is it rude to suggest that we need to see some pictures of your mom in a miniskirt to really understand this post?

The Happy Feminist

Yes.

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