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will

"There were no sports available to me or my female peers until later, when I hit middle school, by which time we were pretty pathetic in terms of our skills."

Couldnt you have been a cheerleader?

Fortunately, those days are gone when the bar associations are all male. For close to twenty years, the law school classes have had almost as many or more women than men.

The Happy Feminist

Oh you're SO funny.

Yes, I've got no complaints about the make-up of the profession now. And I never felt this sense of doom when I was in college or law school or starting out professionally.

Of course, a lot more women drop out before making partner, becoming a judge etc. It's the baby factor again. But that's a whole 'nother can o' worms.

will

You were a cheerleader, werent you??!?! Oh, you are so busted now!!

In my area, we have a nice mix of female to male judges in the juvenile and domestic relations courts. The circuit Courts are still underrepresented.

The Happy Feminist

For the record, let me clear that I was NOT a cheerleader.

Actually, I figured out in about fourth grade that it was too late to develop any kind of coordination but that I could do well in brute endurance. I practiced for the Presidential Physical Fitness Test and aced it (the boys' test, of course, because there is really no reason for a boy-girl distinction at that age) and I started long-distance running with my parents. My sports in high school were cross country and track, thank you very much.

A friend of mine and I also insisted on racing in the steeplechase, a previously male-only event. Of course, as it turns out, the steeplechase sucks. But we were pioneers.

Chalicechick

Maybe I have an optimistic memory, but I remember things as way better by the time I was growing up. I was born in 1978.

My girl scout troop camped out. (The leader was a stay-at-home mom. Her kids are grown, but now she's runs a girl scout camp.)

I've always been unathletic, so I don't remember much about gym class other than I didn't like it.

By the mid eighties, there was even He-Man for girls: Adam's sister, She-Ra.

I liked most of the same careers you did, although at one point I decided that Presidents work too hard and I wanted to be the first lady, which really upset my aunt. By the time I was 12, I'd decided that I wanted to be some kind of writer and I stuck with that through my early 20s.

Call it an 80's kid thing, but I was really worried about getting addicted to drugs. When the well-meaning twentysomethings who put on Anti-Drug plays in the schools would come to perform, they would talk about the unpopular kid who agrees to take drugs just to be cool. I remember being like seven and thinking "Yep, that's gonna be me." I was pretty sure I'd get pregnant, too. I didn't WANT those things to happen, mind you, but apparently that's what happens to unpopular kids and I was certianly one of those. So there you go.

My aunt was a major activist and she took me to peace marches. After she told me about wars and why we were marching one time, I recall saying

"OK, Aunt Jackie, why don't we tell President Reagan that we're the most powerful country in the world? Then he won't make any more wars?"

"But Miss Sue," (only Aunt Jackie is allowed to call me "Miss Sue," so don't even try it.) "We already ARE the most powerful country in the world."

That was one of those times I vowed I would never understand adults.

Oh, and one time I announced at the dinner table that I didn't like boys and I was never going to get married and when I grew up I was going to live with another woman like Aunt Jackie's friends Georgia and Kathy did.

A really unpleasant conversation ensued.

What? The boys were MEAN!

CC
who wasn't a cheerleader either. She was a spooky drama kid. But she never got addicted to drugs or got pregnant.

alsis39

Thanks for the memories. I'm just impressed that you and your other young pals discussed this stuff. I don't ever remember doing that with my friends, even though we were almost all big geeks who were proud of being serious, rather than silly, girls. (A whole feminist issue right there, but I'll save it for later.) I have a vivid memory when I was less than ten years old of promising myself that I'd never have children. Even then, I got the message that motherhood was a racket for everyone except mothers, including my own.

I think the saddest coda to my 1970s memories is that Marlo "Free To Be You And Me" Thomas has reportedly gotten so much Botox and/or facial surgery that she now resembles a mannequin in her speaking appearances.

Aparently, it's going to be a long time yet before women are free to enjoy the aging process without buying a bunch of bullshit disguises. >:

The Happy Feminist

CC, I think our 7 year age difference is probably pretty significant in this regard. I seem to remember that by the mid-80s, things seemed to be a lot better.

Alsis39, I didn't really talk that much about feminist stuff with my friends (except for the motherhood-and-career thing in my teen years). In grade school, I was in the habit of telling everyone who would listen that I was a feminist. One little girl in 4th grade said she would never want to be one of THOSE. Of course, I immediately told her her epidermis was showing, which made her cry. I wasn't as nice back then.

alsis39

HF wrote:

"...I wasn't as nice back then."

So I could still outgrow my mean stage, then ? CC, are you listening ? :D

I don't remember even discussing marriage-and-kids with my friends, unless we were talking about our mothers' shortcomings. You know, envying the great relationship each of us thought that the other mother-daughter pair had, compared to our own.

mythago

Wow, I hope your husband got that foot out of his mouth without help.

For close to twenty years, the law school classes have had almost as many or more women than men.

I was in law school about fifteen years ago, and it was a big deal because we were in the first year of any law school having more female than male 1Ls. (I'm not sure if this was my school in particular, or just the first year it had happened anywhere.)

will

HappyF:

I will just quote William S: The lady doth protest too much methinks.

mythago:

I graduated from law school in 1992. My class had more women than men. From what I can tell, the two classes in front of me were very similar.


I was also a swimmer so I swam with plenty of women who were tough and fast so I got used to getting my butt kicked by women.

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